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But I think we tried to keep it so each side had stuff that is really catchy. SF: I think we were inspired by those excessive albums of the time. We wanted to make something excessive and that showcased a lot of different sides of us. JR: The next one is kind of like an orchestral pop record kind of like if the Electric Light Orchestra made a Disney soundtrack or something. And the next one after that is a hip hop record.

JR: In a way, yeah. It kind of is exactly how I wanted it to be. The Flaming Lips are known for their over-the-top live shows, which often feature costumes, intricate lighting, and frontman Wayne Coyne rolling about in a giant plastic bubble. They continue to play and record. SF: Star Power is a punk band that takes over the album and by the end of the album has taken over the band.

Or maybe we just had the title first. JR: Sorry I was texting. Yeah I think the title came first. We set a mood for each of the albums before we make them. We come up with a title, what it is going to sound like, and then the songs.

Like of Montreal and the Flaming Lips, there were songs that we knew they would sound really good on, so we asked them to do it. JR: We play instruments differently. JR: Yeah I sing background vocals on a few songs, not really any of the lead stuff. And then I learned how to sing like Mick Jagger.

SF: Forever ago. And then I learned how to sing like Mick Jagger and then it kind of went from there. SF: Today yeah. Well, I ate ribs last night and it was just a horrible experience. Not all seafood, just squid. JR: I graduated from an alternate high school. I barely graduated from high school. Sam took a year off from Evergreen then he never really went back. So he came to New York, where I was.

It was my sophomore year of college and we were recording while I was going to school during the days. I went one year after that, I got up to my junior year, but then we started touring. Film school is not even a real thing. It just seemed like we had an opportunity to do way more than a degree in movie watching would get me. JR: No. But it is important to us. SF: We think of the concepts of the videos and then we work with the director and collaborate on it.

Some of them are out of our control. RE: Do you guys have any other hobbies? I know you walked in Saint Laurent, Sam.

SF: Yeah I walked on the runway. It was really easy work, it was a fun job. Also there were a lot of non-models in that show, like he just went around to music festivals, like Austin Psych Fest and the Burger Records Fest. Hedi just went to these shows and went up to random kids who were watching the shows and asked them to be in his fashion show.

A detective novel. JR: I really liked it. Everything else just is whatever. But it was a kid my age who wrote it so I thought it was inappropriate. JR: I always agree with them in a way. I have this weird thing with them where I feel like I have daddy issues. I feel like they hate us for the wrong reason. I feel like they would like it, because they like the Flaming Lips and things that are in the same vein, but for some reason they hate us.

They like Ariel Pink, you know. Most everything is totally fine or funny. JR: At least the music is done I think Sam is still working on the lyrics. Musically it is there. There was one album in high school where we just kept recording. It ended up being like 37 songs. Just for CDs for our friends. White Fence has so far recorded six studio albums, two live albums, and a collaboration with Ty Segall.

Bleached released its first album Ride Your Heart in Pickathon An annual independent music festival that takes place in Happy Valley, Oregon. We can relate to their music. I love [LA]. When you play a concert every day of your life, at least for me, I have to really want to go see something to go stand in a venue. I do feel like an old crusty guy. Sam was writing all these songs, and they all lent themselves to that style—that informed where the record went. I think it would be great on your record.

As always, Foxygen were committed to their analog aesthetic, utilizing painstaking methods to avoid the convenience of modern recording technology. It had to be sampled onto MPC and then printed out, with the tape dragged behind a truck, and then triggered by a synth, sampled by another MPC. There was a lot of sampling ourselves playing. My music is too provocative. The idea comes off like a mixture of social commentary and a Producers -style move at dumbing down his music for mass appeal.

Maybe that would be good—an anti-Trump acoustic album with slight psychedelic Foxygen vibes. Rado—who issued his debut solo LP, Law and Order , in —has blossomed into a high-demand producer in recent years, working with Father John Misty, Houndmouth and Whitney.

And France is trying to move further away from the corporate machine—looking for his own production and recording work, and offering music to fans directly through email. I was literally just on too many drugs. I did not know what was going on. Foxygen is not the the biggest band in the world. I think the hardest thing about growing up, at least for a lot of people in our generation, is that figuring out our identity in the 21st century.

It is just cool art rock record: a cool, druggy, dark album that could have been made in or something. It is music that I like to make. I also consider it to be like piano punk or something. I did it independently, so I just worked with a lot of people on favors and good studios and musicians. I think it just cemented the fact that we will probably always do this in some shape or form.

Our aesthetics developed alongside each other, as we grew up from children to adults. We share everything together really. He knows exactly how I fucking like shit and vice versa.

He knows exactly how to eat EQ it and exactly whatever. And this was certainly like the last chapter of the Avengers series, you know, this is fucking End Game.

Sam France: Well, I do too. I share in that, you know. I mean good rock and roll is death. I think all the truly good bands that you remember in the mythology, the icons, were bands that are breaking up from day one. Like Fleetwood Mac and all that stuff.

It just makes for some good art. And people have always had trouble interpreting it, especially with Foxygen. Sam France: You know, the same thing that embarrassed me about Foxygen is the same thing that I really think makes it special.

Sam France: They were kind of like one of the same honestly. I wrote them both the same time and so it was easy to write the songs.

It just needs editing. I basically word vomited my entire experience in the music industry onto paper. Sam France: Honestly, I always leave too much on the table with Foxygen, and then I look back and go, maybe I should cleaned that up a little bit. I just want to like have a family and stuff, you know?

I should probably try to brand myself in some way or something like that. Everyone who hates me already hates me, and everybody who likes me already likes me. Atwood Magazine: In the open letter, you and Rado described your lives as a series of rock and roll cliches. A lot of people would consider the cliche to be something sort of avoided at all costs. So do you think of the cliche in this way, and how did your understanding of the cliche shape the way you use them in the album?

People seem so desperate to understand you, Rado, and Foxygen in such singular ways. Are you trying to complicate how your listeners understand you with Seeing Other People? If there's anything to be sort of optimistic about in this industry, as an artist, what is that? Compared to Hang , Seeing Other People seemed a bit more accessible compositionally, but perhaps more introspective and complicated lyrically.

Was that the goal intended? There's a lot of the '80s embedded into Seeing Other People. Was it just sort of natural to go to the next era? Who are you a fan of right now—specifically a musician that is trying to crack open certain boundaries in a way that's not being received well by others? Is it his unwillingness to be PC and say what's on his mind?

What's the exact appeal? On this album you are singing about growing pains, about disillusionment, about the loneliness of being an adult. What has been sort of the toughest thing about growing up? You are working on a solo project.



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